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January 1st, 2011, 07:20 AM
#1
Inactive Member
North Texas -1990
North Texas ? 1990
BY: C
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Ed. Note: Due to our e-mail; we picked a match where Carol won & I lost. Carol won approx.30% of her matches over the years. I won approx. 95%+ of my matches. So we are getting close to the covering the matches I lost that are interesting. This account was the compilation of watching the videos we took of our matches and the recollection of the participants.
We received a call from some friends in a suburb shortly north of Dallas. Bill said he and Jane were having a Wrestling Party in 6 weeks and wanted to know if we could attend. I accepted for Carol and me. We thought it would be 8 to12 couples. Their property had multi-acres. They had several horses; pond with Kio in it; 2 Tennis Courts; swimming pool with a large house. The house was a 7 bedroom ; 6 and 1/2 bathes ; living room ; dining room ; breakfast nook; den ; game room ; library ;solarium ; kitchen and 6 car garage There were 3 guest houses on the property. If you can believe it; it is larger today!
Upon arrival; we were surprised to see there were 24 couples. 20 were hetero & 4 were homo. The homo couples were 1 guy couple and 3 gal couples. Two of the four girls that made the Finals were Lesbians. 12 couples plus the owner will spend the nights at the house and guest houses. 12 couples will spend the nights at nice Motel approx.5 miles away. The Event will take place from Friday thru Monday. There was a large amount of MJ and alcohol. It was close to a 70?s ?Happening?! Carol and I had individual matches on Friday night; We had two individual matches on Saturday. We had a tag Team Match & each of us had an individual match on Sunday. On Monday; Carol and I had 3 individual matches. We had a closing party late Monday Night. The Championship round was held two weeks from the results from this weekend. There were a total of 50 people ? men & women. We drew a name from a hat or someone drew your name If you draw a name of someone you have fought. Then you pick another name. Husbands and wives fought one another if picked. The rules for the matches are; One Fall; no time limit. Have to be naked before a combatant can submit. Win by: pin with 10 count; knockout or submission. There is no: eye gouging; high risk maneuver off ropes; knee drops and blows into throats. The consequence for losing was surrendering wrestling attire. The top ten on Tuesday competed in two weeks later to determine the Champion of the Tournament. The prize was a silver Rolex watch. We had lunch; drinks and two hours of socializing before the days Matches begun.
Friday Night
Carol vs. Ann
There were 25 matches Friday. Carol?s was the 16th of the day. In 1990; Carol and Ann enter the Ring. Carol was: 30; 5?4? and weighs 126 pounds with measurements of 34c-23-34. She had blonde hair and blue eyes. To maintain our marriage; I must say that Carol?s weight has remained in the ball park. Carol was wearing a fire engine red, satin bra & bikini panty set & matching pads. She was wrestling barefoot. Ann was: 28; 5?4? and weighs 130 pounds with measurements of 36c -26-36. Ann had brown hair & eyes. Ann was wearing a black, silk bra & bikini set with matching pads. She was wrestling barefoot. Both ladies hugged and went to their corners. Ashley was refereeing the Matches on Friday. The matches were averaging around 7 minutes. Ashley motions to Shawn to ring the bell.
Carol and Ann approached one another. Ann slipped behind Carol and applied a Full Nelson. Ann had powerful arms and had driven Carol to her knees. Ann now had more leverage on my bride of 5 years. Carol was moaning from the pressure on her neck. Ann completed the move by pushing Carol face-first on the mat and increasing her pressure. Carol?s neck was bent in an abnormal position and was crying uncontrollably. Ann released her hold and stomped Carol with her barefoot. in the back and back of the head. The kicks had the desired result. Carol was dis-oriented. Ann pulls Carol to her feet by her long blonde hair and sends her into the ropes. As Carol comes off the ropes; Ann catches her with a Spin Kick which sends Carol to the mat dazed. Ann easily stripped my wife; rams two fingers in to her twat to show her dominance. Ann then positions Carol for her finishing hold. Ann applied a Figure Four Leglock. Carol is dazed by comes around as Ann applies the pressure. Within two minute; Carol was shouting her submission. Most of the crowd stood; clapped their hands and shouted their approval. Ann stands as Ashley raises her arm. Carol laid clutching her knee and crying on the mat. Shawn said,? the winner in 5 minutes and 42 seconds is ANN!? I entered the ring and help Carol to her seat. I gather her clothing and give them to Carol to present to Ann. I steady Carol as she gives her clothing to Ann. Guiltily I was aroused at the sight. The crowd cheered Ann?s decisive victory. Ann spreads her legs and points to her pussy. Carol nodded. Carol approached and kissed her pussy. After Carol had completed bringing Ann to climax. I help Carol from the Ring and to her seat. My match was the 20th of the day. I had wrestled Jack several times in the past and had won them all. Jack was 34: 5?11?; 195 pounds and had a 9? package. He had brown hair and eyes. He was wearing a navy blue satin thong. He had matching pads. I was 36; 5?10? and had a 7.5? package. I was wearing satin, grey bikini. I had matching pads. We both enter the Ring and go to our corners. Both of us were fully erect which cause many in the audience to laugh and me to turn red in embarrassment. Ashley signals Shawn to ring the bell.
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January 1st, 2011, 07:20 AM
#2
Inactive Member
Re: North Texas -1990
Craig vs. Jack
We came out cautiously. Both of us had martial arts backgrounds. He throws a Sidekick which I dodge. He follows up with a Front Snap Kick which I deflect. As he sends a third kicks in: I catch his ankle and send him to the mat. He hits hard on his ass. I immediately stomped him in his gut twice. This caused him to curl up into a ball; moan in pain and writhe in pain. I picked him up; positioned his hands behind his back; lifted Jack into the air and executed an Inverted Atomic Drop. Jack falls to the mat; clutching his balls; and crying in pain. I grab his legs; spread them and exert pressure on his balls with my heel. I decided not to stomp due to me being a guy. The pressure I exerted was still enough. Jack begged me to release the hold due to the intense pain of his balls. I began kicking his inner thighs which had him screaming in pain.
By the time I was through he could not stand; could barely move his legs. I ? wordlessly ? applied an Ankle Lock. Jack was screaming from the Ankle Lock. I transformed the Ankle Lock into a Spinning Toe Hold which sent the pain quotient to a new level. Ashley reminded him he wasn?t nude so he couldn?t quit. I intensified the hold causing him to scream louder and beg for mercy. Jack was semi-conscious. I stripped him except for an elbow pad; pulled him to the center of the Ring and applied a Figure Four Leglock in the middle of the Ring. I had already weakened him with the kicks to his thighs and Spinning Toe Hold to his left leg. I really put the pressure on the Figure Four causing Jack to scream loudly. He was writhing on the mat. He was aroused. I really didn?t understand it then or now but he was at full erection. Finally he screamed his submission again. Ashley told him he is not stripped. Jack tries to remove his pad. I block it. The crowd cheer as I caused Jack to cum. Jack couldn?t prevent it as I intensified the Figure Four Leglock. He sobbed for mercy. I told him that he needed to scoop two finger loads of cum and I MIGHT consider it.
The crowd laughed and taunted him as he complied. I punched him in the balls four times. The added pain along with stepping it up a notch on the Figure Four had Jack light-headed. A loud crack was heard throughout the room. The scream emitted form Jack?s mouth was blood curdling. I removed the pad from his arm; he submitted. Ashley raised my hand and said,? The winner in 5 minutes and 16 seconds is Craig. Ashley retrieves Jack?s clothes and handed it to me. Ring Attendants carry Jack to the Infirmary to be treated. Three hours later he returned on crutches. He sat down nude but would not be able to wrestle the rest of the Tournament. I had done a better job on him than I thought. His body was covered with bruises and cuts. His left eye was swollen shut. During the 25 matches that took place that evening & night; 7 were knocked out of action for the remainder of the Tournament.
Saturday
On Saturday; there were two rings in the gym. Each Ring had matches going simultaneously.
There were 43 people still in the Tournament. Twenty One matches accrued in each Ring. Most of the women were defeated on Saturday. A lot of people were knocked out of action by some vicious maneuvers on Saturday. Several were hurt bad trying some high flying WWWF moves.
Carol vs. Sheila
Carol & Sheila enter the Ring. Carol?s knee was still killing her from her match with Ann on Friday evening. Sheila was: 5?6?; 135 pounds with measurements of 37c ? 26 ? 35. She had red hair and green eyes. Sheila was wearing neon green. She had on a bra & thong set which received much applause. She complemented her attire with matching pads. She was wrestling barefoot. Carol was wearing a ?hot pink? pink satin bra & string bikini panty set. The ladies stretched in their corners. Shawn rings the bell.
Both ladies were in shape. Sheila had won her first Match and Carol had lost her first match. Sheila had few aches and pains. whereas my wife?s knee?s was giving her problems .She insisted on wrestling Sheila. She had fought Sheila several times over the past few years. She had lost them all. Carol was determined not to forfeit the match. The ladies approach one another. Sheila has a predatory grin on her face. She said in a low voice that she was going to really hurt her. (Carol told me later) Carol and Sheila had dated the same man who eventually married Sheila. They got into several fights over the guy. Sheila was intent on showing Mark he made the right decision. [I will never understand the logic.] Sheila and Carol locked up. Sheila grabbed Carol by the hair; swung her around; let go and Carol landed on her beautiful face on the mat. Before Carol can move; Sheila stomps her bad knee several times eliciting howls of agony and uncontrollable sobbing. Sheila bent down and stripped Carol?s bra and panties. Carol lies nude on the mat with a knee that was throbbing. Sheila traps Carol?s arms and applies the Cunt Claw which had Carol screaming and pleading for mercy and saying some very humiliating things whispered into her ear by Sheila. After only 30 seconds; Carol shouts her submission. Ashley reminded her pads were still on.
Carol sobbed. Ann drove her whole hand inside Carol which had Carol freaked. Several in the audience were giving oral sex to their neighbor. With her free hand; Ann removes her pads. Blood was coming out my baby?s cunt, The crowd was cheering for Ann to REALLY fuck my wife up. I believed she had already accomplished this. Carol lay with her arms at her side merely absorbing the punishment. She removed her bloody hand and raised it high into the air. The crowd cheered. Ashley clasped Sheila?s hand and said,? In 3 minutes and 37 seconds; the winner is Sheila.? Carol laid on the mat writhing in pain bleeding from her twat. A Doctor in the one of the clubs present was there. He signaled for Carol to be taken to the Infirmary. She was taken from the Ring. I followed my wife to the Infirmary. I held her hand as she was treated. She was helped to the bedroom as I prepared for my second bout of the Tournament.
Craig vs. Bob
Bob & I entered the Ring. We go to our corners. Bob was: 40; 5?11?; weighs 185 pounds and had a 7? package. He had brown hair and eyes. He was wearing white, cotton bikini briefs and matching pads. I was wearing tan, cotton briefs with dark brown pads. Shawn introduced us and Ashley signaled Shawn to ring the bell.
Bob and circled one another. Suddenly; he dove at my legs. I moved and he hit the mat face-first. I dove onto his back an applied a Camel Clutch. Bob struggled but was unable to escape. I intensified the hold causing him to wear himself out and scream from the pressure on his neck. The crowd was shouting support for me and encouragement for Bob. Bob worked himself free; tripped me and applied an effective Boston Crab. I worked to get free but the pain in my lower back made me stop due to the pain being excruciating. Bob approached only to be caught with a punch to his balls .I continued hitting his balls which created a new pain center. I ripped his briefs off and delivered several more well placed shots. Bob was light ?headed from the ball abuse. The crowd applauded each ball shot. Many were masturbating at the sight of me dominating Bob. As Bob writhed on the mat; I removed 3 of his pads. He laid on the mat unable to get his bearings. I threw him into the ropes. As he came off the ropes; I slammed a Thrust punch into his Solar plexus. The punch stopped Bob; he fell forward clutching his stomach. I picked his head off the ground; slammed his head into my knee. His head bounced off my knee. I get him to his feet and send him into a turnbuckle. I knee him for several minutes into his balls and guts. I pick him up by his hair and send him into the ropes. As he came off the ropes; I caught him an Abdominal Stretch. He screamed and tried to escape. I remove his lone pad and added a Claw into his side. Bob was crying as he submitted. The crowd cheered my victory; Ashley raised my hand high into the air as Bob writhed on the mat clutching his side. Shawn said,? In 7 minutes and 51 seconds; the winner is Craig.? A few minutes pass before he gathered his clothing and present them to me. I made him suck my dick. I came in his mouth. I leave the Ring and take a seat. Carol was sleeping in our room.
Carol vs. Keith
Carol forfeited the match to Keith.
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January 1st, 2011, 07:21 AM
#3
Inactive Member
Re: North Texas -1990
Craig vs. Linda
Linda and I entered the Ring. Linda was 2-0 in her matches. She had injured a guy who was out of the Tournament due to her single-mindedness. Carol was: 32; 5?6?; 125 pounds with measurements of 35c ? 26 ? 35. She had blonde hair and blue eyes. She wore ?hot pink?, satin bra & thong set. She wore white pads. I wore light blue, cotton bikini briefs and pads. Shawn introduced us and Ashley signaled for Shawn to ring the bell
. Linda came out fast with a series of kicks which I deflected. I caught her leg and dumped her on her ass. She rose and began throwing punches. I dodged several and deflected some and caught her arm. I applied an Arm Bar which dropped to her knees. I twisted her arm causing her to moa. I twisted her arm again causing her to let out a ?Banshee Scream?! I straddled her arm; jumped into the air and landed on her shoulder driving her face-first to the mat. She was screaming in pain. I liked the sound of Linda?s helplessness. I was fully aroused by Linda?s futile attempts to escape. I pulled back on her arm putting extreme pressure on her elbow. Linda beat the mat. I switched in a Figure Four Arm Lock. She screamed and moaned from the pressure on her left arm. She tried to escape but only allowed me to tighten the hold. Linda was beat down enough that I could release her. I pulled her to her feet and sent her into the ropes. As she rebounded off the ropes; I met her with a Running Clothesline. Linda hit the mat. The impact with the mat causes gasping and staring blankly at the ceiling. By looking into her eyes; she was in ?LA-LA? land. I stripped Linda and out of spite twisted her tits. The crowd laughed and applauded that maneuver. This brought her around. She swung her good arm at me. I dodged her blow regained her injured arm and applied another Figure Four. After a couple of minutes of trying to escape; She submitted. I released the hold and stood. Shawn says,? In 8 minutes and 22 seconds; the winner is Craig!? Linda is helped in retrieving her clothes and pads. Linda gets on her knees and presents her clothes to me. I commanded her to suck my dick to climax to show her submission. The crowd laughed and applauded. She began sucking me off. I told her to swallow EVERY drop. She was helped to the Infirmary for treatment to her arm. She was not able to wrestle Sunday or Monday. 18 people had been hurt on Friday & Saturday bad enough not to compete Sunday & Monday. I was sore all over and felt 20 years older than my 37 years at the time. My next match was at 3 PM on Sunday. Carol was still very sore and sex was out until she saw her Gynecologist on Tuesday. It had been a good Tournament so far to everyone watching or participating. To watch the matches the ones hurt too bad to continue had to remain nude. I left the Ring and sat next to Carol. She kissed me.
Sunday
The count dropped significantly. 43 competitors dropped from 43 to27. The crowd was becoming more naked. If they lost; they had to watch the rest of the matches ? NUDE! I knew Carol & I could not wrestle
in the Tag Match because of Carol?s injuries. I offered to take them BOTH on which was rejected. So I had until 2PM until my match with Luke Carol and I watched most of the matches. At lunch; we went to our bedroom and cuddled. She was in no condition to do anything else. I spent the lead-up to my match ?Held Up By The Arms of Love!? So far; I was still in the running to make the Finals. I had put two out of the Tournament and thought I had a shot at winning the Tournament. Although no sex; Carol had offered enough positive reinforcement to make feel I could beat giants. She still does that.
Carol & Craig vs. Jan & Bill
Carol was still impaired and we forfeited the match to Bill & Jan. I offered to wrestle them one vs. two but the Council said ?NO!
Carol vs. Sarah
Carol unable to meet Sarah and forfeits the match.
Craig vs. Luke
Luke and I entered the Ring. Luke was: 6?1?; weighed 205 pounds with a 9? package. Luke had a 5th degree black belt in JU-Jit-Zu. He had also won several Ju-Jit-Zu Tournaments. He was wearing a crimson thong and matching pads. I was wearing cotton, burnt orange bikini briefs and black pads. We went to our corners. I had fought Luke 6 times. He had defeated me 5 times. He lost maybe once a year. He was tough and showed NO mercy. Luke?s record was 4-0 coming into this match. He had put four people out of the Tournament due to injuries. It wasn?t good enough to win; he had to put them out. Luke was also into humiliating his opponent by making his opponent give him a ?blow job? in the middle of the Ring. He was also known for pissing on his opponent. Luke also made opponents drink their own piss or his piss in the of the Ring. He did this during the match not the Consequences Session. He had one guy in a hold and would not let him go until he masturbated toward the audience. There was a special stipulation in their match that both wanted. A submission only counted when the dominant wrestler accepted the submission. He had humiliated 3 of his 4 victims in THIS tournament. He was always erect when meeting his opponents subliminally saying ? I AM GOING TO FUCK YOU AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT! Ashley signals Shawn to Ring the bell.
Luke and I approached one another. Luke whispered he was going to hurt me. I thought Oh Shit! As we locked ?up in a Collar & Elbow. He tripped me. I fell to the mat with him on top. He kneed me in the balls. I saw stars. He kneed me a second time. The two ball shots seeped all energy from me. Luke slammed a fist into my jaw. I was woozy from the punch. My lip was bleeding. He pulled me to my feet; positioned me and executed an Inverted Atomic Drop. His knee slammed into my balls. The crowd was mesmerized by the action and cruelty in the Ring. I was writhing on the mat from the emphasis on attacking my balls. He pulled me to my feet by my hair; positioned me; grabbed my right arm placing it behind my back and executed a Falling Tree maneuver which slammed my face into the mat .My head was swimming from the maneuver. I laid moaning on the mat Luke pulled me to my feet and sent me into the ropes. As I rebounded off the ropes; He dropped to one knee and sent a punch into my balls. I dropped to the mat in serious pain.
He ripped off my briefs; took off my pads except for one and executed another Inverted Atomic Drop. My balls slammed into his knee again. I laid on the mat unable to move; speak and trying to catch my breath.
Luke dragged me to a corner; stood me up and delivered several punches to my face. Blood came out of my nose and two cuts on my face. I dropped to the mat barely conscious and consumed in pain .I was nothing more than a punching bag at this point. I could offer no defense. Blood began running out several cuts on my face. He lowered his briefs to reveal a fully erect 9? cock. Luke shoved my face on his crotch and screamed,? suck me-Now!? To summarize it; he came and I swallowed. Luke got behind me; positioned me; lifted me in the air and dropped my balls on his knee. The impact knocked me out. Shawn says. ?the Winner by knockout in 9 minutes and 41 seconds is Luke! ? I am carried to the Infirmary. My balls were purple and swollen. I was carried to our bedroom and given a sedative. Carol called it any early night and kept my balls iced. I woke up the next morning and was strongly inclined to forfeit my last match but decided to wrestle Bree.
Monday
Carol vs. Gena
Carol unable to meet Gena and forfeits the match.
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January 1st, 2011, 07:23 AM
#4
Inactive Member
Re: North Texas -1990
Craig vs. Bree
It was 1PM; I thought I had been run over by a truck. I was moving like a 70 year old man. My right eye was swollen shut and deep purple. The left side of my face was purple and swollen. My balls sack was purple. I had a deep bruise over my ribs. I questioned why I was getting in the Ring. I probably should have forfeited. Bree looked familiar but I couldn?t place her .She smiled at me ; I smiled back. Bree and I entered the Ring. Bree was: 29; 5?4?; 123 pounds with measurements of 34b -26 -35. She had brown hair and green eyes. She was wearing black, lace bra & panty set. Her record for the Tournament Friday thu Sunday was 3-2. She had beaten one man and two women. She had lost to 1 men and 1 woman. My record was 2-3. I had beaten one man & one woman. I had lost to two men and forfeited one. I was wearing white, satin string-bikini briefs with matching pads. Ashley asked if we were ready; we both nodded. She signaled Shawn to ring the bell.
We both come out of our corners. Suddenly I remembered where I had seen Bree. Three years earlier; we had a match in Waco. I had messed her up really bad. I had really humiliated her by pissing on her face. From the look in her eyes; she remembered! I knew at that moment if I didn?t win she would show NO mercy. As we circled one another; I realized I was moving slower and aching all over. Suddenly she caught me with a lightning quick Front Snap kick to groin which sent me to the mat. The pain was incredible. Bree acted like she was going to let me get to my feet. As I reached my knees; she caught me with a Spin kick to the jaw. The kick almost knocked me out. I laid facedown on the mat trying to regain my marbles. I suddenly felt a white hot pain on my neck which did send me to the edge of ?LA-LA? land. The crowd was strongly for Bree. They cheered every kick and punch. Bree had stomped me on the neck.
She pulled me to my knees; knocked me back to the mat with a knee in face which made me very woozy. Bree removed my briefs and 3 of my pads allowing Bree to continue to beat me even if I submitted. Bree pulled a less than coherent me to my feet .Bree positioned her hands and executes a Swinging Neckbreaker. As I hit the mat; the impact sent a lightning bolt of pain up and down my spinal chord. She quickly picks me up and repeats the maneuver which has me clutching my neck. My neck was numb and I was moaning I was unable to move. I laid and looked up into Bree?s green eyes. All I saw was revenge and more pain in the future for me. The picture of her standing so dominantly over me caused a lot of masturbation and oral sex in the audience. The crowd cheered Bree even close friends of mine. I was out of it by this time but Bree did something that few ladies were able to pull off in the entire Tournament. Bree picked me up and executed a perfect Suplex. The crowd cheered her strength. She kept me upside down for several seconds before slamming me to the mat. The impact knocked me out. I still arched my back from the pain. Bree slapped me several times and woke me up. I submitted immediately but Ashley reminded me I still had clothes on pointing to my pad. I tried to remove the pad but Bree smiled, shook her head ?NO and slapped me into next week. Bree easily picked me up and executes another Suplex which knocked the air from my lungs and stunned me. As I laid motionless on the mat; Bree executed a stomp on my balls. The pain was inundating throughout my body .I lay on the mat sobbing; unable to move and clutching my balls. She roughly removed the elbow pad. She easily flipped me onto my stomach and kicked my legs shoulder width. I couldn?t move. Bree dropped down on her butt; grabbed my penis and pushed my inner thighs out further and began stretching, twisting and digging her fingernails into my penis. She intensified the Twisting Penis- Stretch ? Grapevine Hold pushing my legs out further and assaulting my penis. I was screaming for mercy and after only a minute sobbed out my submission.
The crowd was cheering her on ? even my friends. Bree acted as if she did not hear my submission and took it up a notch by squeezing my balls. Ashley stepped back and let Bree have her way. Bree squeezed my balls harder; made my penis bleed from digging her fingernails into me and was close to pushing my hips out of socket from the pressure. After a couple of minutes; Bree finally released her hold. Embarrassingly I sobbed and writhed on the mat from the utter butt kicking I received. Ashley held Bree?s hand high as Shawn says,? In 11 minutes and 47 seconds the winner by submission is Bree!? The crowd cheer Bree?s focused; no nonsense and take no prisoner approach. Bree?s record for the Tournament was
4-2 which was good enough for her to advance to the Final Round. In the Final Round; she ranked 4th.
My final record was 2-4. Luke - the guy that decimated me - ended up winning the Tournament.
The 10 finalist (in alphabetical order) were : Ann ; Bob ; Bree ; Chuck ; Gena ; Karl ; Kaitlin ; Keith ; Luke & Sam.
Until 9 years later, I had not received such back to back mauling. Luke destroyed me. I did not want to give him the satisfaction of me being knocked out of the Tournament by him. I figured I to gain victory as soon as possible and go to sleep. I did not realize my opponent was a person I had hurt and humiliated in 87. I could tell she remembered. I had entered the Ring and had to through it. I had not looked at her record going into the match or I would have discovered it was her. The League handled Carol and my injuries with our own Doctors and Nurses network but it was 2 months before I could have sex. It was 6 months before I got back into the Ring Carol took 3 months to completely recover. That Tournament had 39 people needing medical attention which was high. The usual numbers needing attention at that time was 20%. (the sex and new contacts were worth it) Today it is approx.8% due to new rules and safety equipment. Anyways, I watched several Tournaments over the next 6 months. I watched my ranking drop as I was unable to participate. Carol got back into the Ring which I found sensual and fun to watch. Bree and Luke checked on me once a month encouraging me to get back in the Ring so they could hash out another can of ?whip ass.? Both said they would hurt me and I would be out longer. I said when I got better ;we could talk about it.
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